2017 Women’s Transformative Leadership Forum: Finding the Confidence & Courage to Lead

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TORONTO – The path to leadership roles may not always be obvious in legal departments and law firms, but leveraging experience, having confidence and seeking opportunities with mentors can be important steps in moving forward, according to a panel of experienced lawyers speaking in Toronto last month.

Gaining leadership skills and getting noticed often has to be achieved through one’s own initiative, according to Caroline Tsai, deputy general counsel and chief regulatory officer at BMO Financial Group, speaking as part of the “Tales from the Front: Lessons on How to Lead” panel of the 2017 Women’s Transformative Leadership Forum, sponsored by Thomson Reuters’ Legal Executive Institute.

Tsai, who is based in Chicago, joined BMO in 2014 as chief legal officer of U.S. and commercial banking and took on the global role she has now two years ago. She was previously at Bank of America for nine years. She explained that most law departments are “very flat” and at her first in-house role historically there wasn’t the opportunity to be promoted from assistant general counsel to associate general counsel unless you were promoted to manage people.

“I took the advice of the associate general counsel I reported to and the deputy GC who joked that ‘You need to take the advice no one has ever taken and get out of your office, network and build connections with people outside our group; get to know the business, get involved in affinity groups and that will be your path to building leadership skills because you don’t manage right now.’”

Tsai embraced the suggestion and got involved in the bank’s women’s leadership network and in community outreach. “I think Bank of America was one of the most hated banks in America during the [financial] crisis. My observation was we did so much great work in the community, but the non-profit community didn’t think that,” she said, adding that she took the opportunity to build out a program that enabled women at the bank to develop public speaking skills and coach clients in the Dress for Success program.

Kikelomo Lawal, CLO, Interac Association, Katherine Kay, partner at Stikeman Elliott LLP, Caroline Tsai, deputy GC, BMO Financial Group, and Ken Fredeen, GC, Deloitte LLP spoke about how they rose to leadership positions and helped mentor others.

Katherine Kay, partner and commercial litigator at Stikeman Elliott LLP, agreed that women especially need to realize what their own strengths are and find ways to propel themselves forward to get the work and leadership roles they want to do. She said that in her own career there was “a tipping point” where she realized she needed to take control.

“At some point, probably after I became a partner, I realized if I wasn’t confident in my own abilities, how did I expect anyone else to feel that way about me?” she said. “Some people would accuse me of not being subtle enough and I think that’s a gender point. But in a number of ways I just tried to push myself forward. We need more people to be that way. Look to your right, look to your left — all of the guys think they rock; you rock, too. So. if you’re not going to be an advocate for that, I’m not sure who is going to be.”

Sumeet Dhanju-Dhillon, partner at Torkin Manes LLP, who acted as moderator of the panel, pointed out that when male lawyers in a firm have a big win they tend to “walk around and talk about it and make sure everyone knows what happened,” even for the smallest win, while women are “more timid” about sharing what happened.

“I had advice early on from someone in my department who said, ‘You have to make it known the good things you do out there,’” she said.

Kay agreed. “I’m not the type to come back from court and walk around the halls and say I totally rock, but I am the sort to say, ‘I do this kind of work, let me spend 10 minutes talking to you about it.’ No one knows your career, your skill and your capabilities like you do. You have to find the right way to communicate that and be an advocate for yourself.”

Tsai pointed out the need to be “courageous” but that getting there involves being well prepared for the task ahead. “For me, it did not come naturally. I was an immigrant who grew up in Queens, New York. and if you pulled out my high school yearbook, I was voted the shyest person of my class and carried that through until I graduated college. It’s that concept of being courageous and not being quiet,” she said.

Preparation and confidence is key, agreed Kikelomo Lawal, chief legal officer and corporate secretary at Interac Association/Acxsys Corporation.

Lawal noted that she “benefited greatly” from a male mentor and in fact most of her mentors have been men who saw the potential in her and gave her opportunities. “I was in my second year of practice and had a federal court trial. I was tasked with doing the legwork for the questioning of a witness. Then I was told I could question the witness, but I was prepped and primed within an inch of my life and able to do it — it was the fact someone believed I could do it that lifted me up a little more. You gain a lot of confidence by being prepared. It’s an extra boost to have someone believe you’re capable of doing it,” she said.


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